Post your DeepSeek results

Curious what kind of results others are getting, I think actually prefer the 7B model to the 32B model, not only is it faster but the quality of results seem better too.

Make we could use this thread to post prompts and results?

I’ll start with a quick test…

Be cool if some of you could run the same prompt and post your results :smiley:

DeepSeek R1 - 7B vs 32B

  • Machine: M4 Mac Mini base model (16GB ram, 256GB HD, though it’s running off a 4TB TB4 SSD)

  • Prompt: If I wanted to learn how to program, what are the top ten things I’d need to know? Please include code examples.

  • Settings: Default set by LM Studio

  • Observations: Not only is 7B faster (expected) but I feel the quality of the response was better too. The 32B model did not provide any decent code examples despite being asked for them.

Model: lmstudio-community/DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Qwen-7B-GGUF (Q4_K_M) / 4.36GB

  • Thought for: 34.37 seconds

Response:

Think:
Okay, so I want to start learning programming. Hmm, where do I even begin? I’ve heard that programming is a huge field with all sorts of languages and frameworks. But maybe there’s a starting point. Let me think about what the user mentioned: top ten things needed to know. They also included code examples, which is helpful.

First off, I know every language has its own structure, but how do I pick one? Maybe Python because it’s often recommended as a good first language for beginners. It’s easy to read and write, right?

Then there are variables. Variables store data, like numbers or strings. So in Python, I can declare a variable with an equals sign, like x = 5. That makes sense.

Next up is data types. In Python, int, float, string, boolean are common. So after assigning a number to x, maybe y would be a string? Like y = "hello". And then there’s booleans—True and False, which I use all the time in conditional statements.

Control structures come next: if-else statements. They let me make decisions in code. So something like:

if x > 3:
print(“x is greater than 3”)
elif x < 3:
print(“x is less than 3”)
else:
print(“x is equal to 3”)

That way, the program doesn’t do the same thing every time.

Loops are next. For loops let me repeat code. Like looping through a list of numbers:

numbers = [1,2,3]
for num in numbers:
print(num)

And while loops run as long as a condition is true. Maybe checking if a number is positive:

n = 5
while n > 0:
print(n)
n -= 1

Functions are important too. They let me reuse code and make it modular. So perhaps writing a function to add two numbers:

def add_numbers(a, b):
return a + b

Then, maybe the first program would be something like printing “Hello, World!” which is classic.

Error handling is crucial. Using try-except blocks so that if someone runs into an error, my code doesn’t crash. So when dividing by zero could happen:

try:
result = 10 / 0
except ZeroDivisionError:
print(“Cannot divide by zero.”)

I also remember reading about variables and scope—how variables declared inside a function are not accessible outside of it. That’s important to understand for managing code.

Object-Oriented Programming is another concept, but I’m not too familiar with it yet. Maybe using classes in Python:

class Car:
def init(self, make, model):
self.make = make
self.model = model

def drive(self):
    print(f"{self.make} {self.model} is driving.")

car = Car(“Toyota”, “Corolla”)
print(car.drive()) # Output: Toyota Corolla is driving.

I think that covers the basics. Each of these concepts builds on each other, so practicing with examples would help solidify them. Maybe I should try writing a small program that uses all these elements to get hands-on experience.

To embark on your programming journey, it’s essential to grasp foundational concepts and practice regularly. Here’s an organized approach based on the key points:

  1. Choose a Programming Language: Python is a great starting point due to its readability and versatility.

  2. Variables: These store data. Example:

    x = 5
    y = "hello"
    
  3. Data Types: Represent different kinds of data.

    print(type(x))  # Output: <class 'int'>
    print(type(y))  # Output: <class 'str'>
    
  4. Control Structures - If-Else Statements:

    x = 5
    if x > 3:
        print("x is greater than 3")
    elif x < 3:
        print("x is less than 3")
    else:
        print("x is equal to 3")
    
  5. Loops:

    • For Loop:
      numbers = [1, 2, 3]
      for num in numbers:
          print(num)
      
    • While Loop:
      n = 5
      while n > 0:
          print(n)
          n -= 1
      
  6. Functions: Reusable code blocks.

    def add_numbers(a, b):
        return a + b
    
    result = add_numbers(3, 4)
    print(result)  # Output: 7
    
  7. First Program: A classic example.

    print("Hello, World!")
    
  8. Error Handling:

    try:
        result = 10 / 0
    except ZeroDivisionError:
        print("Cannot divide by zero.")
    
  9. Variables and Scope: Understanding where variables are accessible.

    def greet(name):
        print(f"Hello, {name}!")
    
    greet("Alice")  # Output: Hello, Alice!
    print(greet.__name__)  # Output: greet
    
  10. Object-Oriented Programming (OOP):

    class Car:
        def __init__(self, make, model):
            self.make = make
            self.model = model
    
        def drive(self):
            print(f"{self.make} {self.model} is driving.")
    
    car = Car("Toyota", "Corolla")
    print(car.drive())  # Output: Toyota Corolla is driving.
    

Practice: Implement a small program using all these elements to reinforce your understanding.


Model: bartowski/DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Qwen-32B-GGUF (IQ2_XXS) / 8.41 GB

  • Thought for: 1 minute 43 seconds

Think:
Okay, so I want to learn how to program. I’m a bit overwhelmed because there’s so much out there, but let me try to break it down step by step. First, I think I should figure out why programming is important. From what I’ve heard, it’s everywhere—like in apps, websites, and even devices. Knowing how things work might help me build cool stuff or understand technology better.

Alright, so the first thing I need is a computer with internet access. That seems obvious, but maybe not everyone has that. Then, choosing a programming language. The assistant mentioned Python as a good starter because it’s simple and widely used. Maybe I should go with Python since it’s recommended for beginners.

Setting up an environment—oh right, installing Python. I remember hearing about IDLE from the assistant. So, when they mention installing Python, that’s just getting the software on my computer. Then, using an IDE like PyCharm or VS Code would make coding easier. Maybe I’ll download one of those to have a proper editor.

Basic syntax—I think this is learning how to write code correctly. The example given was print(“Hello, World!”). That looks simple enough. So variables and data types are next. Variables store values like numbers or strings. For instance, x = 5 is an integer, y = “Hello” is a string.

Data types include int, float, str, bool. I should remember that each has different uses. Like if I want to do math, integers and floats are important, but strings are for text. Booleans are for true/false values.

Control flow structures—like if statements and loops. The example with checking age is a good start. If someone is 18 or older, they can enter; else, they’re too young. That’s an if statement. Loops like while and for would let me repeat actions until certain conditions are met. I need to understand how these control the flow of my program.

Functions—so functions are reusable pieces of code. The example shows a simple function that adds two numbers. Instead of writing the same code every time, I can just call the function with parameters. That’s efficient and saves time.

Arrays or lists—these hold multiple items. The example uses list1 = [1,2,3], which is straightforward. Accessing elements by index is something to remember, like how list1[0] gives the first element. Looping through arrays is useful for processing each item individually.

Conditional checks are about making decisions in code. The if-else structure helps determine what happens next. Maybe I should practice writing some conditions to see how they work.

Problem-solving skills—this involves logic and creativity. Trying to solve problems by breaking them down into smaller steps is key. Maybe I’ll look for simple programming challenges online, like the “Hello World” exercise, but more complex ones as I progress.

Finally, practice is essential. The more I code, the better I get. So I should set aside time each day to work on small projects or exercises. Joining a community can help too—like asking questions on forums or Stack Overflow if I get stuck.

Wait, did I cover all ten things? Let me check: setting up the environment, choosing a language (Python), syntax, variables, data types, control flow, functions, arrays, conditional checks, problem-solving. That’s ten points. So that seems comprehensive enough to start with.

To learn programming effectively, follow these steps:

  1. Understand the Importance of Programming: Recognize its prevalence in technology and how it can enhance your ability to create and understand digital tools.

  2. Set Up Your Environment:

    • Install Python on your computer.
    • Use an IDE like PyCharm or VS Code for coding.
  3. Learn Basic Syntax:

    • Start with simple commands like print("Hello, World!").
    • Understand variables and data types (int, float, str, bool).
  4. Understand Control Structures:

    • Use if statements to check conditions.
    • Employ loops (for, while) for repetitive tasks.
  5. Use Functions: Create reusable code with functions to add two numbers or perform other operations.

  6. Work with Arrays (Lists): Store multiple values and loop through them using indices.

  7. Conditional Checks: Implement decision-making logic with if-else statements.

  8. Develop Problem-Solving Skills: Break down problems into smaller steps and solve them logically.

  9. Practice Regularly: Dedicate time daily to coding, starting with simple exercises like “Hello World.”

  10. Engage with Communities: Join forums or groups for support and learning from others’ experiences.

By following these steps, you’ll build a solid foundation in programming and gradually enhance your skills through consistent practice and engagement with the community.

1 Like

Just to check my curiosity, I tested some different AI, a couple of deepseek r1 running locally with Ollama API and also, the online DeepSeek, Gemini (Flutter AI Toolkit), and ChatGPT 4o and o1. In all cases, I used the same prompt: “If I wanted to learn how to program, what are the top ten things I’d need to know? Please include code examples.”

Below are the results from these tests:

Here are the results:

Ollama API DeepSeek-R1:7b (qwen family)

Okay, so I want to start learning programming. Hmm, where do I even begin? I’ve heard that programming is a fundamental skill these days, used in everything from web development to mobile apps and data analysis. But honestly, the sheer amount of information out there is overwhelming. There’s Python, Java, JavaScript… the options are endless! How can I figure out what to focus on first?

Let me think about the top ten things someone would need to know according to that list. It mentioned languages like Python, HTML/CSS, Git, algorithms, data structures, debugging, version control, web dev, databases, and machine learning. That seems comprehensive, but maybe I’m missing something or not prioritizing correctly.

First off, why is Python so emphasized? Maybe because it’s widely used in many fields—data analysis, AI, web development. But should I start with that right away, or perhaps focus on HTML/CSS first since they’re foundational for web stuff?

Wait, but the initial list suggests starting with programming concepts before diving into specific languages. So maybe learning Python isn’t optional; it’s more about building a foundation in coding principles. That makes sense because without understanding core concepts like variables and functions, different programming languages might as well be foreign to me.

So perhaps my first step is to get comfortable with the basics—variables, loops, conditionals, functions. Then, once I have that under control, I can move on to specific languages. But since Python is so versatile, maybe it’s best to pick up that language early on because even if I later switch, having a solid base in Python would help.

HTML and CSS are next on the list. They’re essential for web development. Should I focus on those immediately after programming concepts? HTML seems like the first logical step—it’s about structuring pages. But wait, can’t you structure a page without knowing any code if you use something like drag-and-drop tools? So maybe it’s still better to get into the actual coding part.

But then again, HTML is pretty straightforward once you know how variables work. Maybe after learning basic Python syntax, I could start writing simple scripts that output to the console and then move on to using print statements for web pages. That way, I can see immediate results of my code without dealing with a completely blank page at first.

Git is another crucial one—version control. I’ve heard about GitHub, but how do you actually use Git? It’s used for collaborating on projects, right? But even if I plan to work alone initially, knowing how to track changes and manage files could be beneficial in the long run. So maybe after getting comfortable with Python basics, learning Git would make sense.

Algorithms and data structures are next. These seem a bit more advanced. How do they fit into my learning path? Well, understanding algorithms is essential for efficient problem solving. But wait, if I’m just starting out, should I focus on the theory first or actually write code that uses these concepts?

I think it’s a mix of both. Maybe understand what an algorithm does and why certain ones are better suited for specific tasks before implementing them in Python. That way, when I encounter a problem, I can apply the right algorithm or choose to create one if needed.

Debugging is another important skill. Writing code without any errors seems ideal, but real-world applications often have bugs. How do you approach finding and fixing them? Is there a systematic way to debug, like using print statements or specific debugging tools?

Version control with Git, I suppose. But even within Python scripts, using print statements can help track where the program might be going wrong. Maybe that’s a basic form of debugging before diving into more advanced tools.

Data structures—like lists, dictionaries, etc.—are part of both Python and general programming concepts. They are essential for organizing data efficiently. So after understanding variables and functions in Python, learning about these structures would make sense because they’re built-in to the language.

Web development itself is a big topic. Should I focus on building websites from scratch or just using frameworks like Flask or Django? The initial list mentions front-end and back-end basics, so maybe starting with simple web pages that can fetch data from an API could be a good approach. That way, I apply what I’ve learned in Python to create something more tangible.

Databases are another area. I know SQL is commonly used for databases, but the initial list says it’s part of programming knowledge. Maybe learning how to store and retrieve data using Python modules like sqlite3 would be useful before diving into SQL. That could tie together database management with web development.

Lastly, machine learning is a field that heavily relies on programming, especially in things like neural networks or deep learning. But I’m not sure if I want to get there just yet. Maybe it’s better to stick to core programming concepts and build up from there before tackling more specialized areas like AI.

Putting this all together, my initial plan would be:

  1. Start with Python basics: variables, loops, conditionals, functions.
  2. Then move on to HTML and CSS for web development basics.
  3. Learn Git for version control and collaboration.
  4. Study algorithms and data structures in Python.
  5. Dive into web development using frameworks like Flask or Django.
  6. Explore databases using Python modules before SQL.
  7. Finally, consider machine learning once the above are solidified.

But wait, is this too time-consuming? Maybe I should focus more on programming concepts first because without a strong foundation, diving directly into web and database stuff might be overwhelming. Also, each step has its own set of challenges; perhaps starting with Python’s core features before moving to web dev would make the transition smoother.

Another thing: maybe interleaving these topics could help reinforce learning. For example, after learning HTML and CSS, immediately apply those skills in a project that also uses some database management or basic web APIs. That way, each concept is put into practice right away, making it easier to remember.

I’m also wondering about the best resources for learning all this. There are so many online courses and tutorials—khanacademy, codecademy, edabit, etc.—but which ones are best? I think starting with Codecademy’s Python course since it seems comprehensive and interactive. Then moving on to HTML/CSS from there.

But what about practice projects? How do I know if I’m understanding these concepts without applying them? Maybe creating a personal portfolio site would be a good project—using all the skills I’ve learned so far: HTML, CSS, JavaScript (maybe), and Python for functionality. That way, each component of my knowledge is showcased in one place.

Another consideration: community support. Stack Overflow comes to mind—a great resource for troubleshooting and getting help when stuck. Maybe setting up a GitHub account to track projects and collaborate with others could also be beneficial as I progress.

Overall, breaking down the top ten things into manageable steps seems like the way to go. Starting with Python basics ensures that I have a solid foundation before moving on to more complex topics like web development or databases. Each subsequent step builds on the previous one, making learning more efficient and less overwhelming.

To embark on your programming journey, consider following this structured approach, which is designed to build a strong foundation while gradually introducing you to more complex concepts:

Step 1: Master Python Basics

  • Why: Python is versatile and widely used across various fields, providing an excellent starting point for learning core programming concepts.
  • What to Learn: Variables, loops, conditionals, functions, and basic data types (integers, strings).
  • Resource: Use Codecademy’s interactive Python course to get hands-on experience.

Step 2: Learn HTML and CSS

  • Why: Essential for web development, enabling you to structure and style web pages.
  • What to Learn: Basics of HTML syntax for page structure and CSS for styling. Start with simple HTML templates and apply CSS using external tools like Google Docs.
  • Resource: Explore W3Schools tutorials for clear explanations.

Step 3: Get Acquainted with Git

  • Why: Version control is crucial for managing code changes, especially as you collaborate or work on larger projects.
  • What to Learn: Basic commands for cloning repositories and committing changes. Practice by creating a GitHub account and experimenting with branches.
  • Resource: Try the official Git tutorial from GitHub.

Step 4: Study Algorithms and Data Structures in Python

  • Why: Essential for efficient problem-solving and understanding data management.
  • What to Learn: Basic algorithms like sorting and searching, along with fundamental data structures such as lists and dictionaries. Use Python’s built-in modules for practice.
  • Resource: Leverage the book “Python Notes” by Jon Bentley for practical insights.

Step 5: Dive into Web Development

  • Why: Combining HTML/CSS with JavaScript to build interactive web applications.
  • What to Learn: Basics of server-side scripting using Flask or Django. Start with simple projects like an e-commerce site or blog.
  • Resource: Follow the Flask tutorial by Real Python for a hands-on guide.

Step 6: Explore Databases Using Python

  • Why: Managing data efficiently is crucial, especially as you scale applications.
  • What to Learn: Use Python’s sqlite3 module and Pandas library. Begin with basic CRUD operations before moving to more complex SQL queries.
  • Resource: Take a course on Coursera or Udemy that covers database management in Python.

Step 7: Consider Machine Learning (Optional)

  • Why: A specialized field within programming, useful for advanced applications like AI.
  • What to Learn: Basics of neural networks and deep learning. Start with introductory courses on platforms like Coursera.
  • Resource: Andrew Ng’s Machine Learning course on Coursera is a recommended starting point.

Final Step: Apply Your Knowledge

  • Project Idea: Create a personal portfolio website integrating HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and Python to showcase your skills in one cohesive project.

Additional Tips:

  • Practice Regularly: Use practice platforms like LeetCode or HackerRank to apply concepts.
  • Engage with Communities: Join forums like Stack Overflow for support and participate in coding challenges on Codewars.
  • Collaborate: Use GitHub for version control and collaborate with peers on projects.

By following this plan, you’ll systematically build your programming skills from the basics up to more complex topics, ensuring a solid foundation and gradual progression.


Ollama API DeepSeek-R1:8b (llama family)

Okay, so I want to start learning how to program. Hmm, where do I even begin? The user mentioned that I should list the top ten things I’d need to know and include code examples. Let me try to break this down step by step.

First off, programming languages are a big part of it. They listed Python as the top choice, which seems popular because it’s pretty straightforward. But there are others like JavaScript and Java. I wonder why they included Ruby and C# too? Maybe because they’re also widely used in different contexts. I should probably try each one to see which I like best.

Next up is syntax. I know syntax refers to the rules for writing code, like how you use semicolons or brackets. They mentioned curly braces in Python and JavaScript, parentheses in Ruby, etc. Syntax errors are common, so understanding this will help me avoid mistakes early on.

Data structures and algorithms come next. I think data structures like lists, arrays, dictionaries in Python or hash maps in JavaScript are essential because they organize data efficiently. Algorithms are the steps to solve problems, like sorting or searching. Maybe I can start with simple ones like bubble sort and then move to more complex ones.

Control flow is about how code executes, like using if-else statements for conditions, loops for repeating actions (like for loops and while loops), and switch statements for multiple options. It’s important because without control flow, my programs wouldn’t know when to stop or change direction.

Functions and classes are about breaking down code into reusable parts. Functions let me define a specific task, like calculating the sum of numbers, and then call it whenever needed. Classes group related functions and data together, creating objects. I’m a bit fuzzy on object-oriented programming concepts, but I think this is fundamental for more complex programs.

Debugging is crucial because every program will have bugs. The debugging tools mentioned, like print statements or IDEs with breakpoints, help track where things are going wrong. Learning how to debug efficiently will save me a lot of time in the future.

Version control with Git is something I’ve heard about but never used. It’s for keeping track of changes in code and collaborating with others. Understanding how to commit, push, and merge might be tricky at first, but it’s essential for managing my code history.

Reading documentation is another important skill. Every library or tool comes with its own set of instructions, which I need to understand before using them. It helps me know what functions are available and how to use them correctly.

Problem-solving skills involve breaking down problems into smaller parts and finding efficient solutions. Learning how to approach a problem systematically can make me better at coding and understanding complex issues.

Soft skills like teamwork, communication, and presenting my work are also mentioned. Even if I’m working alone, explaining my code to others helps in understanding it better myself and makes collaboration smoother when I join a team later.

Putting this all together, I think starting with Python is a good idea because of its simplicity. I can try creating a basic script, like printing “Hello World” using the print function. Then, move on to more complex tasks, like manipulating lists or using functions to organize my code.

Wait, let me make sure I’m not missing anything. Oh, they also included JavaScript and Java in the list. Maybe after getting comfortable with Python, I should try one of those languages too. But for now, focusing on Python makes sense. I can always switch later if I want more challenges.

I also need to think about how these concepts interconnect. For example, using functions and classes will help structure my code better, which in turn helps with debugging. Syntax errors are a common pain point, so practicing correct syntax is key. Maybe setting aside some time each day to practice coding would help solidify these concepts.

Another thought: how do I handle errors in code? The print statements in Python can be useful for debugging by showing what the program is doing step by step. If I encounter an error, I can check where it happened and adjust my code accordingly.

Version control with Git seems a bit intimidating at first, but it’s worth learning because it allows me to keep track of changes and revert if something goes wrong. Plus, when collaborating with others, having a good understanding of Git will make things smoother.

Reading documentation is something I often overlook, but it’s really helpful. When I’m stuck on how to use a certain function, the documentation can guide me through the syntax and usage examples. It saves time instead of guessing or making trial-and-error codes.

Problem-solving techniques like breaking down problems into smaller parts are essential because programming involves creating logic step by step. Practicing this will help me tackle more complex issues with confidence.

Soft skills might seem less relevant, but they’re actually important for presenting my work in a team setting or explaining my code to others. Even if I’m working alone, understanding how to articulate my process helps me communicate my thoughts clearly.

In summary, the top ten things include programming languages, syntax, data structures, control flow, functions, debugging, Git, documentation, problem-solving, and soft skills. Each of these areas builds on the other, creating a solid foundation for learning to program effectively.

Learning to program is an exciting journey that requires a combination of technical skills and soft skills. Here’s a structured approach to help you get started:

  1. Programming Languages: Start with Python due to its simplicity. Experiment with JavaScript, Java, Ruby, and C# to explore different contexts and find your preference.
  2. Syntax: Understand the specific rules for each language, such as using curly braces in Python or parentheses in Ruby. Practice correct syntax to avoid common mistakes.
  3. Data Structures & Algorithms: Learn lists, arrays, dictionaries (Python) and hash maps (JavaScript). Start with simple algorithms like bubble sort and gradually move to more complex ones.
  4. Control Flow: Use if-else statements, loops (for/while), and switch statements to manage program execution flow.
  5. Functions & Classes: Define reusable tasks with functions and group related functions and data into classes for object-oriented programming.
  6. Debugging: Utilize tools like print statements or IDE breakpoints to troubleshoot errors and track program behavior.
  7. Version Control with Git: Learn committing, pushing, and merging changes to manage code history and collaborate effectively.
  8. Documentation: Read and reference documentation for libraries and tools to understand their functions and usage.
  9. Problem-Solving: Break problems into smaller parts, find efficient solutions, and apply logical thinking to complex issues.
  10. Soft Skills: Practice teamwork, communication, and presenting your work to enhance collaboration and understanding.

Practice Tip: Dedicate time each day to practice coding, starting with simple scripts like printing “Hello World” in Python. Gradually tackle more complex tasks, such as list manipulation and function usage. As you progress, explore other languages like JavaScript to broaden your skills.

By focusing on these areas, you’ll build a strong foundation that allows you to approach future challenges with confidence and efficiency. Happy coding!


Online chat.deepseek.com

Learning to program is an exciting journey! Here are the top ten things you’d need to know, along with code examples to help you get started:


1. Basic Syntax and Structure

  • Understand the basic syntax of a programming language (e.g., Python, JavaScript).
  • Learn how to write and run a simple program.

Python Example:

print("Hello, World!")

2. Variables and Data Types

  • Learn how to store and manipulate data using variables.
  • Understand common data types like integers, strings, floats, and booleans.

Python Example:

name = "Alice"
age = 25
height = 5.6
is_student = True

print(f"{name} is {age} years old and {height} feet tall.")

3. Control Structures (Conditionals and Loops)

  • Use if, else, and elif for decision-making.
  • Use loops (for, while) to repeat tasks.

Python Example:

# If-Else
age = 18
if age >= 18:
    print("You are an adult.")
else:
    print("You are a minor.")

# For Loop
for i in range(5):
    print(f"Loop iteration: {i}")

4. Functions

  • Learn how to define and call functions to organize and reuse code.

Python Example:

def greet(name):
    return f"Hello, {name}!"

print(greet("Bob"))

5. Data Structures

  • Understand lists, arrays, dictionaries, and tuples to store collections of data.

Python Example:

# List
fruits = ["apple", "banana", "cherry"]
print(fruits[1])  # Output: banana

# Dictionary
person = {"name": "Alice", "age": 25}
print(person["name"])  # Output: Alice

6. Error Handling

  • Learn how to handle errors and exceptions to make your programs robust.

Python Example:

try:
    result = 10 / 0
except ZeroDivisionError:
    print("Cannot divide by zero!")

7. Input and Output

  • Learn how to take input from users and display output.

Python Example:

name = input("Enter your name: ")
print(f"Hello, {name}!")

8. File Handling

  • Learn how to read from and write to files.

Python Example:

# Writing to a file
with open("example.txt", "w") as file:
    file.write("Hello, World!")

# Reading from a file
with open("example.txt", "r") as file:
    content = file.read()
    print(content)

9. Object-Oriented Programming (OOP)

  • Understand classes, objects, inheritance, and encapsulation.

Python Example:

class Dog:
    def __init__(self, name, breed):
        self.name = name
        self.breed = breed

    def bark(self):
        return "Woof!"

my_dog = Dog("Buddy", "Golden Retriever")
print(my_dog.bark())  # Output: Woof!

10. Debugging and Problem-Solving

  • Learn how to debug code and solve problems systematically.
  • Use tools like print statements or debugging tools in IDEs.

Python Example:

def add_numbers(a, b):
    print(f"Adding {a} and {b}")  # Debugging with print
    return a + b

result = add_numbers(5, 10)
print(result)  # Output: 15

Bonus Tips:

  • Practice Regularly: Solve problems on platforms like LeetCode, HackerRank, or Codewars.
  • Read Documentation: Learn to read and understand official documentation for your programming language.
  • Build Projects: Apply your knowledge by building small projects like a calculator, to-do list, or simple game.

Good luck with your programming journey! :rocket:


Online Gemini (Flutter AI Toolkit)

Learning to program is a journey, not a destination! This list focuses on foundational concepts, not exhaustive mastery. The code examples will be in Python, a beginner-friendly language.

Top 10 Things to Know When Learning to Program:

  1. Variables and Data Types: Variables are containers for storing data. Different types of data exist (integers, floats, strings, booleans).

    # Integer
    age = 30 
    
    # Float (decimal number)
    price = 99.99
    
    # String (text)
    name = "Alice"
    
    # Boolean (True/False)
    is_adult = True 
    
  2. Operators: Symbols that perform operations on data (arithmetic, comparison, logical).

    x = 10
    y = 5
    
    # Arithmetic
    sum = x + y  # Addition
    difference = x - y # Subtraction
    product = x * y # Multiplication
    quotient = x / y # Division
    
    # Comparison
    is_equal = (x == y) # False
    is_greater = (x > y) # True
    
    # Logical
    is_true = (x > 0 and y > 0) # True
    
  3. Control Flow (if/else statements): Control the order of execution based on conditions.

    temperature = 25
    
    if temperature > 20:
        print("It's a warm day!")
    else:
        print("It's not so warm.")
    
  4. Loops (for and while): Repeat a block of code multiple times.

    # For loop (iterates through a sequence)
    for i in range(5):  # range(5) generates numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4
        print(i)
    
    # While loop (repeats as long as a condition is true)
    count = 0
    while count < 3:
        print(count)
        count += 1
    
  5. Functions: Reusable blocks of code that perform specific tasks.

    def greet(name):
        print(f"Hello, {name}!")
    
    greet("Bob")  # Output: Hello, Bob!
    
  6. Data Structures (Lists, Dictionaries): Ways to organize and store collections of data.

    # List (ordered sequence)
    my_list = [1, 2, 3, "apple", "banana"]
    
    # Dictionary (key-value pairs)
    my_dict = {"name": "Alice", "age": 30, "city": "New York"}
    print(my_dict["name"]) # Output: Alice
    
  7. Input and Output: Getting data from the user and displaying results.

    name = input("Enter your name: ")
    print(f"Hello, {name}!")
    
  8. Error Handling (try/except): Gracefully handle potential errors in your code.

    try:
        result = 10 / 0  # This will cause a ZeroDivisionError
    except ZeroDivisionError:
        print("Error: Cannot divide by zero.")
    
  9. Debugging: Identifying and fixing errors in your code. Use a debugger or print statements to track variable values and execution flow.

  10. Object-Oriented Programming (OOP) Concepts (basic understanding): Organize code around “objects” that have data (attributes) and actions (methods). (This is more advanced, but crucial for larger projects).

    class Dog:
        def __init__(self, name, breed): # Constructor
            self.name = name
            self.breed = breed
    
        def bark(self):
            print("Woof!")
    
    my_dog = Dog("Buddy", "Golden Retriever")
    print(my_dog.name) # Output: Buddy
    my_dog.bark() # Output: Woof!
    

Remember to practice consistently! Start with small programs, gradually increasing complexity. Use online resources (tutorials, documentation) and don’t be afraid to ask for help. Choose a programming language you find interesting and stick with it for a while to build a solid foundation.


ChatGPT-4o

If you want to learn how to program, here are the top ten foundational concepts you need to know, along with code examples in Python (a great beginner-friendly language):

1. Understanding Variables and Data Types

Variables store data, and data types define what kind of data can be stored.

# Example: Variables and Data Types
name = "Alice"  # String
age = 25        # Integer
height = 5.6    # Float
is_student = True  # Boolean

print(f"{name} is {age} years old and {height} feet tall.")

2. Control Flow: Conditionals (if-else statements)

Conditionals allow the program to make decisions.

# Example: Conditional Statements
age = 18
if age >= 18:
    print("You are allowed to vote.")
else:
    print("You are not old enough to vote.")

3. Loops: for and while

Loops help automate repetitive tasks.

# Example: For Loop
for i in range(5):
    print(f"Iteration {i}")

# Example: While Loop
count = 0
while count < 3:
    print(f"Count: {count}")
    count += 1

4. Functions: Code Reusability

Functions help keep code organized and reusable.

# Example: Defining and Calling Functions
def greet(name):
    return f"Hello, {name}!"

print(greet("Alice"))

5. Data Structures: Lists, Tuples, and Dictionaries

Used to store collections of data efficiently.

# Example: Lists (Mutable)
fruits = ["apple", "banana", "cherry"]
fruits.append("orange")
print(fruits)

# Example: Tuples (Immutable)
coordinates = (10, 20)
print(coordinates[0])

# Example: Dictionaries (Key-Value Pairs)
person = {"name": "Alice", "age": 25}
print(person["name"])

6. Object-Oriented Programming (OOP): Classes and Objects

OOP helps structure code in a more scalable way.

# Example: Class and Object
class Car:
    def __init__(self, brand, model):
        self.brand = brand
        self.model = model

    def info(self):
        return f"{self.brand} {self.model}"

my_car = Car("Tesla", "Model 3")
print(my_car.info())

7. File Handling: Reading and Writing Files

Programs often need to interact with files.

# Example: Writing to a File
with open("example.txt", "w") as file:
    file.write("Hello, World!")

# Example: Reading a File
with open("example.txt", "r") as file:
    content = file.read()
    print(content)

8. Error Handling: Try-Except Blocks

Handles unexpected errors without crashing the program.

# Example: Error Handling
try:
    result = 10 / 0
except ZeroDivisionError:
    print("Cannot divide by zero!")

9. Using External Libraries (Modules and Packages)

Libraries provide extra functionality without writing code from scratch.

# Example: Using the Math Library
import math
print(math.sqrt(16))  # Square root function

10. Working with APIs (Making HTTP Requests)

APIs allow programs to communicate with web services.

# Example: Making an API Request (Requires `requests` library)
import requests

response = requests.get("https://api.github.com")
print(response.json())  # Prints the API response in JSON format

These ten concepts form the core foundation of programming. As you practice and build projects, you’ll get better at problem-solving and writing efficient code. Do you want to explore a specific area further? :rocket:


ChatGPT-o1

Below is a high-level overview of ten fundamental concepts that beginners should grasp when learning how to program, along with simple Python examples to help illustrate each point. While there are many more details and nuances involved in programming, these topics will form a strong foundation to build upon.

1. Understanding Variables and Data Types

Why it matters: Variables let you store and manipulate values in your program. Data types help you understand what kind of information is being stored (e.g., integer, float, string).

Key points:

• Common data types: integers, floats, strings, booleans.

• In many languages (including Python), you don’t have to explicitly declare the data type; it’s inferred from the assigned value.

Example (Python):

# Declaring and assigning variables
age = 25             # Integer
height = 5.9         # Float
name = "Alice"       # String
is_student = True    # Boolean

print(age)       # 25
print(type(age)) # <class 'int'>

2. Basic Arithmetic and Operators

Why it matters: You’ll frequently perform arithmetic or use operators for comparisons and logical conditions.

Key points:

• Arithmetic operators: +, -, *, /, // (integer division), % (modulo), ** (exponent).

• Comparison operators: ==, !=, >, <, >=, <=.

• Logical operators: and, or, not.

Example (Python):

# Arithmetic
a = 10
b = 3
sum_val = a + b      # 13
mod_val = a % b      # 1

# Comparison
print(a > b)         # True
print(a == 10)       # True

# Logical
print((a > 5) and (b < 5))  # True

3. Control Flow (Conditionals and Loops)

Why it matters: Control flow statements let you dictate the execution path of your program, handling different scenarios and repeating tasks.

Key points:

• if/elif/else statements handle conditional logic.

• Loops (for and while) let you repeat tasks until a condition changes or a sequence finishes.

Example (Python):

# Conditional statements
score = 85

if score >= 90:
    grade = "A"
elif score >= 80:
    grade = "B"
else:
    grade = "C or below"

print("Grade:", grade)  # Grade: B

# For loop (iterating over a range)
for i in range(3):
    print("Iteration:", i)

# While loop
count = 0
while count < 3:
    print("Count is:", count)
    count += 1

4. Functions

Why it matters: Functions let you structure your code into reusable blocks that can be called multiple times with different inputs.

Key points:

• Define functions using the def keyword in Python.

• Functions can take parameters and return results.

• Helps keep code organized, modular, and maintainable.

Example (Python):

def greet(name):
    return f"Hello, {name}!"

message = greet("Bob")
print(message)  # Hello, Bob!

# Function with multiple parameters
def add_numbers(a, b):
    return a + b

result = add_numbers(5, 7)
print(result)   # 12

5. Data Structures (Lists, Dictionaries, etc.)

Why it matters: You need efficient ways to organize and handle data. Lists (or arrays), dictionaries (key-value pairs), sets, and tuples are common tools.

Key points:

List: Ordered, mutable collection of items.

Dictionary: Key-value pairs, mutable.

Tuple: Ordered, immutable collection of items.

Set: Unordered, unique elements.

Example (Python):

# List
fruits = ["apple", "banana", "cherry"]
fruits.append("date")
print(fruits)  # ['apple', 'banana', 'cherry', 'date']

# Dictionary
person = {
    "name": "Alice",
    "age": 30,
    "city": "New York"
}
print(person["name"])  # Alice

# Set
unique_numbers = {1, 2, 2, 3}
print(unique_numbers)   # {1, 2, 3}

6. Debugging and Error Handling

Why it matters: No matter how experienced you are, bugs happen. Knowing how to debug and handle errors gracefully is crucial.

Key points:

• Use print statements or logging to check the flow of data.

• Use debuggers or IDE features to step through code.

• Handle exceptions using try/except blocks in Python.

Example (Python):

# Exception handling
def divide(a, b):
    try:
        result = a / b
    except ZeroDivisionError:
        result = None
    return result

print(divide(10, 2))  # 5.0
print(divide(10, 0))  # None

7. Working with External Libraries and Modules

Why it matters: Most programming involves using libraries or frameworks so you don’t have to reinvent the wheel each time. Learning to incorporate these is essential.

Key points:

• Python has a vast standard library (e.g., math, datetime, random).

• External libraries can be installed via package managers (e.g., pip).

Example (Python):

import math

print(math.sqrt(16))   # 4.0
print(math.pi)         # 3.141592653589793

8. Version Control (Git)

Why it matters: Version control systems like Git track changes in your code, making collaboration easier and letting you revert to previous versions if needed.

Key points:

• git init initializes a repository.

• git add stages changes.

• git commit commits the staged changes.

• git push sends commits to a remote repository (like GitHub).

Example (Command Line):

# Initialize a new Git repository
git init

# Stage and commit changes
git add .
git commit -m "Initial commit"

# Add a remote repository (e.g., GitHub)
git remote add origin https://github.com/username/repository.git

# Push to the remote repository
git push -u origin main

9. Documentation and Code Readability

Why it matters: Clear code is easier to maintain and collaborate on. Proper documentation helps others (and your future self) understand what your code does.

Key points:

• Write descriptive variable and function names.

• Comment tricky parts of your code.

• Use docstrings in Python to describe modules, classes, and methods.

Example (Python):

def calculate_area(radius):
    """
    Calculate the area of a circle.
    
    :param radius: The radius of the circle
    :return: The area of the circle
    """
    pi = 3.14159
    return pi * (radius ** 2)

# Using descriptive variable names
circle_radius = 5
area = calculate_area(circle_radius)
print(area)

10. Best Practices and Continuous Learning

Why it matters: Programming evolves quickly. Keeping up with standards, patterns, and new tools helps you stay effective and competitive.

Key points:

• Use consistent naming conventions (e.g., snake_case in Python).

• Keep functions short and focused on one task.

• Write tests to ensure your code works as expected (e.g., using unittest or pytest in Python).

• Read official documentation and reputable tutorials.

• Engage with the programming community (e.g., Stack Overflow, GitHub).

Example (Testing in Python):

import unittest

def add_numbers(a, b):
    return a + b

class TestAddNumbers(unittest.TestCase):
    def test_add_positive(self):
        self.assertEqual(add_numbers(2, 3), 5)

    def test_add_negative(self):
        self.assertEqual(add_numbers(-1, -1), -2)

if __name__ == '__main__':
    unittest.main()

Putting It All Together

Learning to program is a journey that involves understanding syntax, problem-solving, debugging, and continually practicing. By mastering these ten foundational areas, you’ll be well on your way to writing clean, efficient, and maintainable code. Focus on one concept at a time, experiment with small projects, and don’t be afraid to break things and learn from your mistakes!

2 Likes

If you compare the results, we of course see some differences. One glaring difference stood out to me. Even though the prompt clearly stated “Please include code examples.”, neither of the locally running Ollama API versions of DeepSeek-R1 included code examples in their response, though the online AIs did do that. If I tell the local DeepSeek to “Give an example of Python code.”, they include examples in their output. But, they did not in the test above. I’m not sure if this is simply due to the local DeepSeek LLMs being smaller models to fit within local memory or if there is some other reason for that difference.

1 Like

Yeah it’s interesting! It’s why I posted as I was curious why I got code examples in my locally running 7b but not 32b: Post your DeepSeek results (and always in the online version).

The 7b model I am using is: lmstudio-community/DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Qwen-7B-GGUF · Hugging Face

1 Like

It’s interesting that your 7b version had code examples, but neither my 7b nor 8b version did. The local versions I am running are from here.

In the readme below the model selection, it refers to these two as:
DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Qwen-7B and DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B

Both of these have the Q4_K_M quantization, which is the 4-bit on your link. If your running used a different quantization, I’m not sure if that would be enough to explain the differences.

1 Like

I wonder why our results differed. Mine’s definitely the one I linked to:

1 Like

We’re using nearly the same LLM (though from different sources) and both on MacOS. I’m running on an MacBook Pro, M2 Max, 32GB, 2TB HD.

I wonder if our different hosting could account for at least some of the different results, LM Studio vs Ollama (used via the API).

1 Like

Try LM Studio to see if you get the same results with the same model?

Future plans. I will need to wait a bit before I can try it; I’m getting ready to travel soon.

@AstonJ Whatever you plan to do with DeepSeek models please don’t ask them to generate an Elixir code. I’m terribly scared you would be so shocked that we could lose our awesome admin! :joy:

I was curious how much lmstudio-community/DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Qwen-7B-GGUF (Q4_K_M) / 4.36GB mentioned by you would help me creating a library to parse addresses. Please take a deep breath and sit to make sure you would not fall as this is what that model think Elixir is:

defmodule MyLib {
  use Map
  
  # Represents a street address component
  struct AddressComponent {
    type :: atom() | nil
    value :: any()
  }
  
  # Represents an address, which can contain multiple street components (e.g., apartment building)
  struct Address {
    street_components: list(AddressComponent) | nil
    country_code: atom() | nil
    city: string()
    zip_code: string()
  }
}

defmodule MyLib do
  use Nimble_Parsec, only: [parse]
  
  # Token constants for parsing rules
  const CountryCode = "country_code"
  const City = "city"
  const ZipCode = "zip_code"
  const StreetComponents = "street_components"
  const Optional = "optional"
  const Language = "language"
  const TextGettext = "gettext"
  
  # Function to parse optional country code
  def parse_optional CountryCode() do
    # Implementation that returns the appropriate token for a country code atom
    # (This is a placeholder; you'd need to adjust based on actual parsing rules)
  end
  
  # Function to parse city, zip code, and street components
  def parse_city ZipCode(), City(), StreetComponents() do
    # Parse the city line
    # Then parse the zip code
    # Finally parse all street components
    # Returns a list of address structures
    # Implementation details omitted for brevity
  end
  
  # Main parsing function that handles optional country_code and language
  def parse(address_string) do
    address = parse_city(
      address_string,
      parse_optional(CountryCode),
      parse_optional(Language),
      TextGettext(Gettext("address"))
    )
    
    MyLib.Address.from_list(address)
  end
  
  # Helper function to convert a list of parsed tokens into an Address struct
  defp from_list(parsed_tokens) do
    # Implementation details omitted for brevity
  end
end

def module MyLib do
  use String, only: [format: %w[...]]
  
  # Function to format an Address struct into a string
  @spec format(Mylib.Address) -> string()
  def format(address) do
    address nil
  end
  
  # Helper function using recursively enumerable atoms for formatting
  @spec format/1 :: %MyLib.Address{} | nil() | string()
  
  def format(nil), do: "..."
  def format({ country_code: nil }) do
    # Format without a country code (e.g., 'PL')
    # Implementation details omitted
  end
  
  # Example formatting logic for a full address
  Mylib.Address.to_string(address)
end

Yes, it generated 3 modules and yes in 3rd one there is space between def and module. Please don’t ask how/why. I have also no idea. :joy:

Is that the same Chinese revolution in AI I’ve heard about?

1 Like

Post the prompt Tom, also try (and post the outputs) from http://chat.deepseek.com/ as well as https://chat.qwenlm.ai :023:

Let us know how you get on - have a safe trip!

1 Like

Rather than specific response (it’s logic) I just wanted to show what kind of code this model is generating … If DeepSeek is considered best now then we don’t have to worry that it would replace developers in their work. I just downloaded it out of curiosity, but since it have no idea what Elixir is I found it completely useless with such a quality and therefore I have already removed both chat history and the model. :disappointed:

Usually I’m not logging in sites I don’t trust or don’t need. Sometimes I’m using VPN/Proxy + temporary accounts if needed. For me it does not makes sense to use chatbots online if I can download their models offline. This is especially important if you take care about your privacy. :lock:

My thoughts about DeepSeek output

Maybe next generation would be more smart and maybe, maybe … Since so-called AI revolution I only hear that next model would be better. It’s not completely new technology, so if it can’t understand basics that are documented so well that even non native English speakers have no problem with it then sorry, but for me it’s obviously overhyped. :chart_with_upwards_trend:

I personally found Linux significantly better in progressing in gaming even when most of PC users is making fun of it. The point is because of marketing good things are underrated while others are overhyped. The more I hear about newer, better LLM the more disappointed I am. For now I’m rather on the way to resign from LLMs at all as the time I spend on them is too big comparing to the quality of the responses. :hourglass:

I have found that at the very end I’m only making fun of it and instead of that I prefer funny cat videos. :cat2:

1 Like